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382 – Heating with less wood – part 2

In this episode Paul and Jocelyn continue their talk about how they heated their house with 0.6 cord of wood. They talk about the things that contributed to them using more wood than would have otherwise been necessary: e.g. no curtains on the windows and the windows not being able to close properly because of ice on the sills. They also talk about things they do to reduce the amount of wood needed – e.g. using incandescent light bulbs, dog bed warmers not using vents in the house and cooking home made food.

They discuss why rocket mass heaters are not more known in the world and why people who have no experience with RMHs are so quick to dismiss their efficiency.

They refer to the YouTube series about common misconceptions about RMHs:

Credit: Dawn Hoff

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381 – Heating with less wood – part 1
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Julia Mason
Dominic Crolius
Josh Phillips
wade L
Suleiman ALAQEL
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Bill Crim
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381 – Heating with less wood – part 1

In this podcast, Paul and Jocelyn talk about how they heated their home with only 0.6 cords of wood. They take the rocket mass heater in the Fisher Price house as a case study.

It is December in Montana and they only get about 6 hrs of sunlight at this time of year. Cloudy days seem to make the days feel even shorter. Montana days are cold and crisp unlike those in Seattle. The RMH used about 1/2 cord of wood and lots of people called Paul a liar. A cord is 4x4x8 so half a cord is 4x4x4. The fisher price house uses a pea gravel style RMH. Paul created a log to track indoor and outdoor temperature and the wood used for the season. 0.60 cords were used in 2016/2017. One person on the forums told Paul that they need to weigh the wood but Paul feels that weighing the wood is kind of silly. Most people measure a cord of wood by volume and not by weight. Paul likes the idea of measuring the wood use by volume and is not all that concerned with btu’s. What really matters to Paul is the use of the wood and how much is used. One interest is hardwood versus softwood and most wood around the farm is soft. There are currently 12 RMHs on the farm and a bunch of others in various states of completion. Paul does buy wood at times depending on priorities. Firewood is something that is gathered when time allows and sometimes it can take a long time. The last winter would have needed about 6 cords with a conventional wood stove. The house is about 1400 sq ft. It is a double wide and because it is not on a foundation it can be pretty cold. The RMH in the Fisher Price house is on the 4 dvd set. It has a stainless steel barrel. Pebble style is working very well. Not as good as cob but pretty good. Pebble is way more portable than cob. This RMH was built in October of 2013 and then modified in January of 2015. The modification worked well but the pebbles were added over the summer and now it is working great. The wood is stored in bookshelves/cubby holes near the stove. Jocelyn does not like building RMHs but she does like using them. Jocelyn likes the radiant heat. When it is cold at the house and the RMH is not run the forced hot air heater kicks on every 15 minutes and it sounds like a jet engine. The RMH is silent in comparison. The wood used is more sustainable as well. Other people in the valley create lots more smoke with their conventional stoves. The exhaust temperature is close to room temperature and is very clean burning. Starting the RMH sometimes creates a small amount of smoke if you use Ernie’s method. Paul and Jocelyn try to create a smokeless fire when they start by pushing the starter paper down into the feed tube before trying to light it. There is a discussion of paper towels and paper napkins that were recycled and how they are not good in compost. Paul’s preferred method is to use a propane torch to start his fires. The arc lighter is also a good tool to use to start the fire. Jocelyn prefers refillable butane lighters. A discussion of where the RMH is placed in the home begins and Paul does not like having the mass in the middle of the room. People tend to put laptops up on the mass and that’s not so good. Last winter had lots of days below zero and snow on the ground from November to March. The temp inside was kept around 69. The thermostat was set up in the dining room next to the kitchen. Paul wanted the thermostat to be influenced only by conventional heat. The floor had to be reinforced to hold the weight and this is covered in the dvd set. The RMH is not quite done yet. There is some granite still missing but they are working to get the last pieces of granite ordered and installed. As winter progressed they got more efficient at using the RMH. In the summer the mass acted as a heat sink. On days of feast people cooking would help heat the house so they did not need to use the RMH. Several windows in the house were frozen open which contributed to heat escaping the house. It was also important to leave a window open when starting the RMH. Once the fire is going fans can be on but at the end of the fire fans can draw smoke back into house.

Credit: Kevin M.

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Rocket mass heater forum
pebble style rmh – in the fisher price house
Better Wood Heat: DIY Rocket Mass Heater Videos
Podcast 315 – More on Rocket Mass Heaters with Ernie and Erica Wisner Part 1
all of the rocket mass heaters and rocket stoves at wheaton labs (with pics!)

Discussion

You can discuss this podcast on this thread at Permies.

This podcast was made possible thanks to:

Keith Kuhnsman
thomas adams
Jocelyn Campbell
Julia Mason
Dominic Crolius
Josh Phillips
wade L
Suleiman ALAQEL
Ash Jackson is The Scrollbard
Jason Hower
Bill Crim
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Doug Barth
James Tutor
David Ingraham

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380 – Dealing with community drama – part 4

Paul and Jocelyn continue to address some intentional community 3.0 issues. They start off by addressing the claim that they were locking a “historically” public road, which was proven by local authorities not to be public. They talk about the issues with Allerton Abbey, which were fixed in the summer. They talk about the bounty payments, and feast nights. They speculate on what might have happened with the Ants. Paul and Jocelyn then talk about some other critisms of Wheaton Labs: the Fouch video and the Puddle people. Jocelyn mentions the stress and disappointment that the Ant issues and criticisms created over the last few months. Paul and Jocelyn finish the podcast on a positive note talking about the way forward. They mention the peasant PDC that will occur in May 2018 (more details to come).

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379 – Dealing with community drama – part 3
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Jocelyn Campbell
Julia Mason
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Josh Phillips
wade L
Suleiman ALAQEL
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Jason Hower
Bill Crim
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379 – Dealing with community drama – part 3

Paul and Jocelyn continue to address some intentional community 3.0 issues. They start off with the last 2 concerns the Ants formulated: written rental agreement and not being allowed to commute to a job. They then move on to addressing criticism from 47: the local currency (fysh) being obscure, poop management, the lock at the Lab’s gate being sticky, someone being kicked out for not listening to podcast. Another criticism was that Paul did not go on the lab often and never after dark, and that Paul doesn’t work on projects himself.

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Relevant Threads

378 – Dealing with community drama – part 2
377 – Dealing with community drama – part 1
the first willow feeder (wheelie bin pooper) at paul’s place – “chateau de poo”
fysh – farmstead yield standard hour
Agile work forum
avoid paul wheaton, avoid wheaton labs and avoid any event with paul
intentional community forum
gappers thread
being an introvert in community
Podcast 037 – Intentional community
Diana Leafe Christian
Podcast 309 – More Intentional Community with Diana Leafe Christian Part 1
ant village

Discussion

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This podcast was made possible thanks to:

Julia Mason
Josh Phillips
wade L
Suleiman ALAQEL
Jason Hower
Bill Crim
Chris Holly
Doug Barth
James Tutor
The Rayhawk Clan
Mark Allen
Kelton Mitchell
David Ingraham

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